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Date: 28-Oct-1999 08:52:37
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: JPOR: Wheels needed
Well, the Jeep is pretty close to ready for Gilberts arrival. ARB, Detroit, Rhino lined, etc, etc. Has only had a couple hundred miles put on it since building it, but it should do the trip OK with the support of JPORWhat is needed though is a set of wheels. As I explained to Gilbert, it has a set of aluminum hurricane style wheels on it, 8" X 15" with pretty much a standard offset. I didn't measure them. What the problem is, is that under near full articulation, with the 3/4 elliptic, the rear tires (12.50 X 35" X 15" ) will hit the frame and 3/4 set up. What we're looking for is anyone along his route that might have a set of wheels with a little more than standard offset, that might be willing to trade or something.Should he require assistance, here is what the Jeep is. Wrangler frame and body, Scout D44's with 4.09's, Detroit rear, ARB front, AMC 360 V8 with point distributor and MSD ignition, external electric fuel pump, AMC T18 trany, D20 transfer, SOA front and rear, shackle reversal front, 3/4 elliptic rear, Warn hubs, CV driveshaft in rear, CJ clutch with external hydraulic slave cylinder, etc, etc.Shouldn't have any problems, but with an untested Jeep, you never know. He's got one HELL of a support network and pit crew though. BuddySob,sob. Baby's all grown up and leaving home for a foreign land.
Date: 29-Oct-1999 15:34:10
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: JPOR: Gilbert arives in PA
Just a quick note to the list. Gilbert has arrived in PA from the Netherlands. Work will continue on the Jeep up until his departure on Monday morning.Buddy
Date: 29-Oct-1999 18:58:38
From: Mo Cox
Subject: JPOR: Flying Dutchman, Day 1
Well, I picked Gilbert up last night. His flight was actually about 10 minutes early into Cleveland!!! Otherwise uneventful.Met with Bill Lally and they are working out some purchases. BW3 (wings) was excellent as always and so was the company. Drove Gilbert to Buddy Nesbitt's place this morning and just got back. Always good to hang out and chat with Buddy. Stayed a bit longer than I planned (as usual) but got home in time to send this email before I head out of town. Anyway, Gilbert now has insurance, and should have a temp tag tomorrow. He'll be all legal. He's headed back this was on Monday and I'll have more to report then. Mo---------------Maurice CoxCleveland, Ohio81 CJ8 360/T19/D300/D44/D60 -- under construction92 XJ 4.0/AX15/NP23179 SJ Rusting Hulk
Date: 29-Oct-1999 19:55:35
From: Bill Lally
Subject: JPOR: Flying Dutchman, Day 1
As reported earlier, The Flying (driving, offroading) Dutchman Tour 1999 is officially underway. I met with Mo Cox and Gilbert at BW3 in Mentor Ohio (and conned a sandwich out of Mo, film at 11. Mo, I owe you one) Between the three of us trying to speak, I think all ears were sore today. Gilbert's soft top was delivered so it could be installed for his journey westward. The N E Ohio weather is following standard protocol by being unpredictable. In the low 70s today so the top may be down anyway. I hope to meet up with Gilbert and his new Jeep again on Monday.Bill
Date: 30-Oct-1999 07:58:52
From: Gilbert Verkuijlen
Subject: JPOR: Some words from the Flying Dutchman...
So, I arrived in the megatown Weedville, PA. The Jeep looks good, especially under the body... One of the most important reasons why I bought this Jeep, was the drivetrain which seems in very good condition. Couldn't wish better weather. Buddy installed the Sunrider yesterday while I recorded it, so I can show the people in the Netherlands how you should install a softtop. Well, that's what I told Buddy, but I even don't know if there was a tape in the camcorder :-) I'm Dutch, cheap and lazy. Haven't slept much the last days. Must be about 8 hours in total for the last 3-4 days. I also left my voice in the Netherlands (I'm sick/ill!!). I think I got some kind of a flu due to the A/C in the plane. I will make a trip report when I'm back in the Netherlands. BTW Buddy came with the idea to make a website during my trip, and would like to receive your comments after meeting me. Please, no remarks about how I look like. He will make a site like Lars did during my trip last year. If you want to know how's Buddy like: I would say he's a younger version of Bud Boren. Hmm, I didn't think about the names, but is this a coincidence?? Bud and Buddy can tell tales (maybe true, maybe not), like nobody else can do. Well, we/Buddy will have a lot to do this weekend. I'll give an update just before I leave Weedville this Monday morning. Time to get some camping gear. I heard there is a sale-out at Wal-mart. Have to line up... Gilbert Verkuijlen.
Date: 30-Oct-1999 12:24:51
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman Tour
As Gilbert had said earlier, I thought it might be a good idea to set up a temporary web site to keep track of his progress and everyone's comments.I will be posting everything sent to me including comments and pictures at the following site.http://www.alltel.net/~wrangler96/
It won't be anything fancy, but should work. Just send me what you have and I'll try and post it. I'll also be posting most of the comments and such from off of list.It's up and running but doesn't have much there yet.Buddy.
Date: 30-Oct-1999 15:19:16
From: Jeff Reynolds
Subject: JPOR: Flying Dutchman, Day 1
Bill wrote:As reported earlier, The Flying (driving, offroading) Dutchman Tour 1999 is officially underway. I met with Mo Cox and Gilbert at.... <SNIP> This is cool having our own (soap) opera; The Flying Dutchman ("Der Fliegende Hollander"), an opera in 29 acts, by Richard Wagner. Yes, the script is falling into place now.......through the fog and rain I can just make out...... (fade in.......) "Our intrepid Gilbert has been at the great wheel of the ghost ship, "JEEPAMERICANISHE", with pelting rain, and raging seas. With a strong tailwind he arrives at Port Cleveland, ready to take possession, by force if necessary, the snorting monster dragon, "CJ7360D18T18". With nostrils wide open, taking in the lung busting no nonsense pollution of big V- power....... [tune in tomorrow for more of, "As the MT turns"..]regards, as always, jefe http://www.off-road.com/~jefe
Jeff Reynolds'82 CJ-8, SOA, 4.4L, H.O., MPI, NP435, D300/4:1, D44/AMC20/ARB's, 110:1, SO. CAL.
Date: 30-Oct-1999 16:01:32
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman, Day 1
I like it. Think we can sell it?Buddy
Date: 30-Oct-1999 16:12:43
From: Rich Schaefer
Subject: JPOR: RE: Flying Dutchman, Day 1
<eyes swelling with tears>What a lovely image...I'm gonna go hug my Jeep right now and remind how much I love her...Which pile of my Jeep should I hug? :-) rich
Date: 30-Oct-1999 20:16:18
From: Paul Weitlauf
Subject: Re: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman Tour
Nice job - but shouldn't the dates on page two be OCTOBER, not November? ;P~ Paul W
Date: 30-Oct-1999 20:14:14
From: David Moulton
Subject: Re: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman Tour
Wow, the Jeep looks awesome! Gilbert must be one happy guy! David
Date: 30-Oct-1999 21:39:38
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman Tour
Hey, right you are. It will be taken care ofThanksBuddy
Date: 30-Oct-1999 22:17:49
From: Glenn Short
Subject: Re: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman Tour
Jeep looks great. Remind me again why you sold it? "Leave the beaten track occasionally and drive into the woods. You will be certain to find something you have never seen before."Alexander Graham Bell Glenn Short Monmouth,Ia Tri-State Stump Jumpers
Date: 30-Oct-1999 22:31:13
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman Tour
ThanksHmm, I was gonna ask you to remind me.Sob Sob.Buddy
Date: 30-Oct-1999 22:58:00
From: Paul Weitlauf
Subject: JPOR: Flying Dutchman Tour - the web site
Buddy, you still have a couple of uncorrected "Nov's" on page two. :P #1:"Nov. 29As reported earlier,..." (by Bill) #2:The caption under the first pair of pix. Pg 3 is a nice addition. Can hardly wait to see the pages fill! Paul W(Hope the roof on Gil's new "house" doesn't leak - it's been pretty wet herelately.)
Date: 30-Oct-1999 23:10:05
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman Tour - the web site
Oops, you're right again. Jeep fever's getting the best of me I guess. Thanks Paul.You can be my proof reader for new soap. I hope it doesn't leak either. Especially since we didn't cut the drain holes in yet since Rhino lining it. Then again, it would make a good bath tub.I better give him a couple rolls of duct tape just in case.Buddy
Date: 30-Oct-1999 23:24:56
From: Doug Smith
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman Tour - the web site
Well, I'm getting a message sayin' that I ain't got permission to access the server. A 403 error. Any ideas? - Doug (one of the quiet ones....)
Date: 30-Oct-1999 23:26:45
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman Tour - the web site
Hey DougTry again. I was just updating it and you probably couldn't get in while I was. Should be OK now.Buddy
Date: 30-Oct-1999 23:39:39
From: Doug Smith
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman Tour - the web site
Kewl - that was it! - Doug (okay, so I'm impatient....)
Date: 30-Oct-1999 23:44:55
From: Doug Smith
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman Tour - the web site
Sweet jeep! I'm wondering about that spare tire tho... 'specially combined with the lockers! - Doug
Date: 30-Oct-1999 23:53:03
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman Tour - the web site
Thanks DougNot to worry Doug. We mounted a 12.50 X 35 up today for a spare. Still have a few last minute preparations to do before he leaves. This is going to be a long, long road trip in a pretty much untested Jeep. Don't forget, this thing was just put together and only had a few miles on put on it. Never been wheeled at all yet. Moab would be a good testing grounds though. Hope it does well and Gilbert has no problems. Like I said earlier though, he's got one hell of a pit crew across the country. You should have seen the look on the insurance agent when he heard Gilbert was going to drive this old Jeep to California, the long way. Buddy
Date: 31-Oct-1999 00:03:43
From: Doug Smith
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman Tour - the web site
Ha! Prolly swallowed twice and looked at both of ya'll to see if ya'll were kiddin' - then broke into a sweat when he realized that ya'll were serious! - Doug
Date: 31-Oct-1999 07:52:59
From: Gilbert Verkuijlen
Subject: JPOR: Flying Dutchman...
> In this issue:> JPOR: RE: Flying Dutchman, Day 1 [RICH SCHAEFER]> Re: JPOR: Christmas ["Paul W."]> Re: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman Tour ["Paul W."]> Re: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman Tour ["moulton family"]> Re: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman Tour ["The Nesbitts"]> Re: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman Tour ["Glenn Short"]> Re: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman Tour ["The Nesbitts"]> JPOR: Flying Dutchman Tour - the web site ["Paul W."]> Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman Tour - the web site ["The Nesbitts"wrangler96]> Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman Tour - the web site [Doug Smithdoug_smith@big] That is one digest with only one other subject, like there's nothing else happening in Jeepworld... > Wow, the Jeep looks awesome! Gilbert must be one happy guy! Oh yeah, I'm very happy with the Jeep. Now you know why I traveled so far to buy this particular Jeep. Will give more comments after the trip (when I know if it broke down). > Jeep looks great. Remind me again why you sold it? Because it goes to a good home. Anyone else knows one or two Jeeps for sale?? Gilbert Verkuijlen (would like to adopt two other Jeeps during this trip).
Date: 01-Nov-1999 07:00:12
From: Gilbert Verkuijlen
Subject: JPOR: Flying Dutchman starts his big trip...
After a busy weekend getting the Jeep ready to roll, I'll leave Weedville, PA in 2 hours. Slept in the Jeep last night, and everything went well, except I slept only till 3.30 am, but that was the same on the other days. I should mention that Buddy's family did all they could do to make my stay comfortable. I would like to thank them. I also met a few other Jeepers here in PA, like Woody Woodring. Like all other Jeepers I met in the past, he's a nice guy. Got one setback this weekend: I lost one of my lenses. Fortunately, I had some spare soft lenses, but I can't see very sharp through one lens. So, if you see a black YJ wandering on the road, wave because it might be me. It's almost time to leave. Buddy will make some digital pics of the Jeep (with the inside, so you can see my home for three weeks), and he'll put them on the web (http://www.alltel.net/~wrangler96).
Gilbert Verkuijlen.
Date: 01-Nov-1999 09:27:20
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman
Well Gilbert just on the first leg of his trip from Weedville, PA. He'll be heading east to Ohio with his first stop at 4 Wheel Drive Hardware then on to Buckeye. He's got quite a list of parts to be picking up to send home.He decided to sleep in the Jeep (camper) last night, just to test out the accommodations. He says all was well. We'll see in 3 weeks. More will be posted on the travel site along with pictures later today.Good luck Gilbert.Buddy
Date: 01-Nov-1999 11:37:33
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman
Ok guys. I've got all the recent correspondence and such posted on the Flying Dutchman site http://www.alltel.net/~wrangler96/ I'm going to be posting just about any and all info to and about Gil's trip including as you've seen the post from JPOR.
If everyone that meets up with Gilbert, could send me any pics and such, it would be nice to have them for the site. Any suggestion? Let me know. I figured we'd keep the site up for a few months anyway.Like I said, it's not much, but it'll keep everyone abreast.Gilbert says he's going to try and send some pics from MOAB and any of the other trails that he hits.Should be one heck of a trail report.BuddyOH yeah. I added a guest book to the site.Hey Paul, back to work.
Date: 01-Nov-1999 20:37:17
From: Bill Lally
Subject: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman
The Dutchman tour is on its fourth leg. The Jeep seems to be performing well on its maiden voyage. It looks like an awesome off roader. Gilbert spent about 1 1/2 hours here looking at the 21 year accumulation of "parts." The lack of sleep seemed to be catching up to him, so he bid adieu and headed for the Cleveland area, Mo Cox, a hot meal, and a friendly Wal-mart parking lot. Ah to be young(er) again and follow his path. I'm sure the list will be watching the roadways for the wandering (lack of sleep I'm assured-maybe Buddy did get him drunk?) Dutchman. Best of luck from N E Ohio. It was a pleasure to meet you. "Buckeye" Bill
Date: 02-Nov-1999 01:32:25
From: Mo Cox
Subject: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman - Back in Cleveland
Well, Gilbert is back here in Cleveland. He pulled into the driveway around 7:30 this evening. I was not home. I got to go to the parts store so I could fix the stupid Ford Taurus -- that's why I'm writing at midnight...argh. Anyway, Gilbert and I met up with the Don and Darren Perkins and Darren's wife, Angel, at one of my favorite watering holes, the Winking Lizard. We generally chatted all things Jeep. Talked about Gilbert's new Jeep, my Scrambler, Darren's Scrambler and Don's CJ7. Lifts, lockers, engines, neon lighting [no, not really], transmissions, how Gilbert was going to sleep in his Jeep, etc. Two hours later we headed back to my place so Gilbert could get some sleep before he heads out west tomorrow. His current plan has him ending up somewhere in the vicinity of St. Louis tomorrow night. It will be a long day, but a do-able one. I think I'll take Gilbert to K-ame-apart and get him some foam ear plugs. They help on those long drives with a soft top -- I know. Gilbert is hanging in there. He seems to have caught a cold. He told me when he got off the plane that he had a bit of a sore throat, but now he sounds like his voice is going. His spirits are still high, but his lack of sleep has been getting the better of him. Convinced him that some Ny-Quil would do him a world of good. :) The Jeep is also holding up pretty well. There is an oil leak that is pretty apparent, but the source isn't (a true Jeep). I wasn't real sure how much Gilbert said it was leaking, but he said he did have to put more oil in. A quick glance at the underside indicated the front end, but we'll take another look tomorrow. Buddy, any insight into this one? I'm going to try to help him get his sound-bar installed tomorrow morning before he leaves. He could use some tunes on that long drive. Mo---------------Maurice CoxCleveland, Ohio81 CJ8 360/T19/D300/D44/D60 -- under construction92 XJ 4.0/AX15/NP23179 SJ Rusting Hulk
Date: 02-Nov-1999 02:06:19
From: Terry Howe
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman Tour - the web site
It looks like 21 Road will be the first off-road testing grounds. 21 Road is a good testing ground since most hard stuff is optional. Steve Smith and I will help him shake out any bugs. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Terry L. Howe http://www.jeeptech.com/~txh3202
Colorado Springs, CO'75 CJ-6, '45 CJ-2A BH4WDC, CA4WDC, UFWDA
Date: 02-Nov-1999 08:36:53
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman Tour - the web site
What a great place to start.Buddy
Date: 02-Nov-1999 11:47:48
From: Mo Cox
Subject: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman - Headed to St. Louis
Well, Gilbert is on his way to the Gateway City [that is what they call St. Louis, isn't it?]. Last night's Ny-Quil seemed to do the trick, Gilbert finally got a good night sleep. Woke him up this morning and let him take a shower while I took my daughter to day care. Took a look at his Jeep again to see what we could do about the oil leak. Dip stick read below fill, so he dumped in about a quarter of a quart. Let it sit for a while and it now read beyond full. Not sure about this, but as it had oil and it's an AMC engine, we called it good. He'll be sure to check the oil at each fill up. Drilled a drain hole for the newly Rhino-ed driver side floor pan as it was collecting water in our nice rain. Good thing he is leaving today as our rain is expected to turn to snow later today. Didn't get the sound bar in as it was raining pretty good, so if someone along the way could help him out with that, I'm sure he would appreciate it. Nor did we get the chance to hunt down the oil leak. Everything looked wet. Again, if someone down the road has the chance, maybe tighten up the oil pan, and make sure the valve covers are snug. Looks like its up front, but the quick fill on the dip stick has be baffled - but I'm no engine guru. Gilbert, good luck in your travels and keep it greasy side down. Mo---------------Maurice CoxCleveland, Ohio81 CJ8 360/T19/D300/D44/D60 -- under construction92 XJ 4.0/AX15/NP23179 SJ Rusting Hulk
Date: 02-Nov-1999 12:01:44
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman - Headed to St. Louis
If he had just been running it before checking the oil, it may not have drained back down into the pan yet. So, it sounds like it may not have been low to start with if a 1/4 of a quart took it over full. Should let it set a bit before checking the oil. If anyone gets a chance to take a look at the engine, it just had a front damper seal put in it, valve covers were checked, etc. The one thing that comes to mind for me is the rear main seal. The engine came out of a 90 but it sat for a few years and the rear main may have dried out some. Like I said, the front was replaced due to the fact that it leaked a little. Buddy
Date: 02-Nov-1999 15:23:45
From: Mo Cox
Subject: JPOR: Flying Dutchman-stopped cold
Just got a call from Gilbert. He's currently just outside of Columbus and is about to head back to Cleveland. And it's snowing. I'm not sure of all the details, but he's been to some shop and they told him he's looking at $1000 in repairs. Oil leak is apparently from the timing cover. He's talking about shipping the Jeep by train and flying or renting a car to meet his buddies in Washington (scheduled for the 11th). That's about all I know right now. If all goes well, he'll be back at my house around 5pm EST and we'll update you all then. Could be a long night spinning wrenches. Mo---------------Maurice CoxCleveland, Ohio81 CJ8 360/T19/D300/D44/D60 -- under construction92 XJ 4.0/AX15/NP23179 SJ Rusting Hulk
Date: 02-Nov-1999 20:52:15
From: Gilbert Verkuijlen
Subject: JPOR: Flying Dutchman has problems....
As most of you already know, I have some problems with my Jeep. I headed down to Indianapolis (from Cleveland) this morning, but didn't get further than Columbus, OH (3 hours). I drove back to Cleveland, so I lost a day. The Jeep is leaking oil, and the V-belt of the power steering "flipped". I just hope that I got a wrong V-belt. Buddy, did you see a difference between this new V-belt and the old one when you installed it two days ago?? There are some other annoying things (like backfiring), but these are the majorproblems. Mo and I will take a look at it tonight, so I can't say anything yet about the rest of my trip. I might decide to ship the Jeep from the east coast to the Netherlands, and fly to Washington State to meet the three Belgian guys. I'll let you know more when we addressed the problems. Gilbert Verkuijlen.
Date: 02-Nov-1999 21:08:21
From: Steve Smith
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman Tour - the web site
It will be - I've been looking forward to that trip for weeks now.. Steve
Date: 02-Nov-1999 21:18:05
From: Lars Soo
Subject: JPOR: Re: The Flying Dutchman - Back in Cleveland
<g> Sounds like it just wants to stick to the leaking oil tradition that started with last year's Flying Dutchman trip. ...larshttp://www.bc4x4.com
http://www.off-road.com/~lhsoo
Date: 03-Nov-1999 03:51:20
From: Terry Howe
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman has problems....
I sure hope you get these problems resolved Gilbert, looking forward to meeting you. They don't sound like problems that can't be resolved to me, but of course, I'm not driving the Jeep across country. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Terry L. Howe http://www.jeeptech.com/~txh3202
Colorado Springs, CO'75 CJ-6, '45 CJ-2A BH4WDC, CA4WDC, UFWDA~~~~~~~~~ Jeep Tech Pages http://www.jeeptech.com/ ~~~~~~~~~
Date: 03-Nov-1999 17:05:08
From: Mo Cox
Subject: JPOR: Gilbert is rolling again
Ok. Finally Gilbert is rolling again. He left about 10 minutes ago. Will drive as far as he can. Won't make St. Louis as scheduled, but he's insane enough that he may just make it there tonight (tomorrow morning). He is still hoping to make it to Denver as scheduled. Don Perkins came over and helped to get it purring again. Timing was off, but that's all been fixed. Fires right up and sounds very smooth. Gilbert and I both learned a lot -- Thanks Don! [More evidence the Jeep community is the best!] Mo---------------Maurice CoxCleveland, Ohio81 CJ8 360/T19/D300/D44/D60 -- under construction92 XJ 4.0/AX15/NP23179 SJ Rusting Hulk
Date: 03-Nov-1999 17:48:36
From: Steve Smith
Subject: JPOR: Gilbert is rolling again
Well, I'll be looking for him.. He is scheduled to be in Denver Thursday evening sometime.. Overnight with me, do the tourist thing Friday and head to 21 Road Friday evening.. Buddy - we will just see if you really know how to build a rock-jeep.. ;^) Hopefully, things will work out.. I don't have a 360 to scavenge parts out of, but I bet I can find a couple in yards in the area if we need to.. We'll keep him on the road and having fun.. Steve
Date: 03-Nov-1999 17:54:55
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert is rolling again
Ha ha. Good deal SteveWe'll see how it works. He's going to be a limited on the articulation though, until he gets his other wheels and Swampers on. The rear tires can hit the 3/4 elliptic when really twisted up. Should do OK though. Takes quite a bit.I'm anxious to see how it does. What a cool shakedown.Buddy
Date: 03-Nov-1999 19:23:22
From: David Moulton
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert is rolling again
Woo Hoo! Go Gilbert go! Guess he's not coming to N.S.? Maybe next time. David
Date: 03-Nov-1999 20:27:39
From: Paul Weitlauf
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert is rolling again
I hope he's not rolling! He hasn't even taken it out wheelin' yet, has he? ;P Paul W
Date: 04-Nov-1999 17:47:55
From: Steve Smith
Subject: JPOR: Gilbert
Anyone heard from Gilbert? Is he still planning on making it to Denver today? Steve
Date: 04-Nov-1999 17:56:39
From: Mo Cox
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert
Dunno. He left Cleveland yesterday around 4pm. Didn't hear from him last night. Mo---------------Maurice CoxCleveland, Ohio81 CJ8 360/T19/D300/D44/D60 -- under construction92 XJ 4.0/AX15/NP23179 SJ Rusting Hulk
Date: 04-Nov-1999 18:17:46
From: Dave Givens
Subject: JPOR: Message about Gilbert from Dave Givens
The list hiccuped this one for some reason I don't understand. Here it is: Gilbert just called me from St. Louis. The oil leak in his Jeep is getting worse. He says it is up to about 2 quarts every 100 miles. Sounds like an intake manifold seal slipped inside and left a gaping hole. He is checking the maps to see if my shop is too far out of the way. Said he would call back in a couple of hours. If he does choose to come this way he would get here between 9 and 10 tonight. --Happy Jeepin, Dave David Givens O|||||||Ohttp://www.wichita4x4.com
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Date: 04-Nov-1999 23:23:52
From: Paul Weitlauf
Subject: Re: JPOR: Another mouth to feed
You gonna build this one up and sell it to Gilbert, too? ;P Paul W --- The Nesbitts <> wrote:> Ya know, you've got a point there Paul.> Tanks> > Congratulations to the proud new papa and reluctant mama... > >(with a child it's usually the other way around isn't it ;)> >> > Paul W
Date: 04-Nov-1999 23:18:42
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Another mouth to feed
OH Man.I gotta keep a couple. Way to hard to give them up. One loss is enough for now.Gotta get one in shape for the East Coast convention on Nov. 12. I'm suppose to be taking a bunch out for some trailriding. I'd hate to have to resort to using the "forgive me for saying it" Ramcharger. Kidding, kidding. Better make sure Gil gets this one to the coast first anyway.Buddy
Date: 05-Nov-1999 08:48:30
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: JPOR: The Lost Dutchman
Anybody hear anything from Gil? How about you Dave? Did he get in touch last night?Buddy
Date: 05-Nov-1999 12:16:54
From: Dave Givens
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert
He had called me about 5pm yesterday. He said his oil leak had slowed a bit and he was going to try and make it most of the way through Kansas last night. He was still planning on making Denver by 4pm Friday. --Happy Jeepin, Dave David Givens O|||||||Ohttp://www.wichita4x4.com
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Date: 05-Nov-1999 12:25:45
From: Steve Smith
Subject: JPOR: Gilbert
I just got a call from him. He is about 250 miles east of Denver on the highway. I'll expect to see him by mid afternoon then ANOTHER 4-5 hours to Grand Junction tonight and a beer for the efforts and a great trail tomorrow.. I guess the oil leak is slow enough that he is still driving and lubing the highway along the way. Maybe we can rig up something that he can add oil without having to pull over - a big tube into the cab with one of those gallon oil bottles :-) Steve
Date: 05-Nov-1999 16:14:54
From: Terry Howe
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert
> Whoever Gilbert visits next could spend an hour or so and just reseal> his intake manifold for him so it doesn't leak anymore. I'd do it> myself but Colorado is a long way from Minnesota. Is RTV good enough on the 360 intake manifold? Anyone know if the current gasket was glued on or not? Maybe Mo knows if his manifold was cracked or something? I'll be leaving for Denver in an hour and 45. What's the URL to Bud's page again, I have it at home and I'm at work right now.
Date: 05-Nov-1999 16:16:59
From: Matt Abbott
Subject: RE: JPOR: Gilbert
What oil is he running? Would pouring some 20W50 help his leak any? I know it slowed mine down over the summer. He can change it when he gets the Jeep back home. Matt Abbott
Date: 05-Nov-1999 16:21:23
From: Mo Cox
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert
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I couldn't see any cracks in the manifold - doesn't mean there's none there though. Not sure if RTV is good enough or not. Mo
Date: 05-Nov-1999 16:32:23
From: Terry Howe
Subject: JPOR: Re: Gilbert
Good question Steve, anyone? "Smith, Steven" wrote: > Yep - I'll bring epoxy and some of the putty epoxy that I used to seal the oil pan.. I was also thinking of calling Checkers and seeing if they had an intake manifold gasket to bring along.. Assuming that really is the problem.. Any idea what year the motor is? Would it matter? Steve From: Terry L Howe [SMTP:]Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 01:06 PMTo: Smith, StevenSubject: Re: Gilbert > > I should have a fresh tube of RTV and some brake cleaner, do you have any epoxy in case there is a crack in it or something? "Smith, Steven" wrote: Hey Terry, I was scanning the jeepoffroad list at lunch and came across this.. Steve Subject:Re: JPOR: GilbertDate: Fri, 05 Nov 1993 12:56:37 -0600From: Ben Bargabus > > > Whoever Gilbert visits next could spend an hour or so and just reseal his intake manifold for him so it doesn't leak anymore. I'd do it myself but Colorado is a long way from Minnesota. Just a thought, Ben (happy to NOT be leaking oil across the USA).
Date: 05-Nov-1999 16:49:04
From: Mo Cox
Subject: Re: JPOR: Re: Gilbert
I'm pretty sure it's from a 90 Grand Wagoneer, but it shouldn't matter. We didn't see any cracks in the manifold, but we really weren't looking for them either. Mo
Date: 05-Nov-1999 20:57:59
From: Dave Givens
Subject: Re: JPOR: Re: Gilbert
The year does not matter. NO RTV should not be used in place of the seals. The AMC V-8s use a valley pan and two rubber seals, one at each end. The rubber seals have a very bad habit of "squirting" out, or in, if too much sealer is used. I always use aircraft sealant on the valley pan and just a little dab of the sealant that comes with the gasket kit on the very ends of the rubber seals. Also, the valley pan is a one time use thing. If you take it loose for any reason you have to replace it. It may seam to seal but will develop vacuum leaks or leak antifreeze into the engine if not replaced. --Happy Jeepin, Dave David Givens O|||||||Ohttp://www.wichita4x4.com
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Date: 05-Nov-1999 21:11:24
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert
Ok guys, here's what Gilbert has.A 1980 360 from a Wagoneer Limited. I'd highly doubt the manifold is cracked, especially if it's running good. If it was cracked, it in all probability would have one heck of a vacuum leak and would run like it. It is as far as I know, the original gaskets. The neoprene gasket at the center front or the center back may have given out. It had 20W50 in it when it left here. Just don't make sense to me though.Buddy
Date: 05-Nov-1999 21:21:07
From: Steve Friend
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert
Yes, it will work great for that and only the red. SF
Date: 05-Nov-1999 21:29:10
From: Steve Friend
Subject: Re: JPOR: Re: Gilbert
WAIT! We have to qualify this. Yes, you are right, sort of. But the front and back gaskets are crap. RTV is the best solution. Of course the rest of the gaskets should be used. SF
Date: 05-Nov-1999 21:55:07
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert
I have used RTV, but only under emergency situations. If the intake is removed, ALL the gaskets should be replaced. It may work for a while without, but odds are, it'll come back to haunt ya.Buddy
Date: 05-Nov-1999 22:05:57
From: Steve Friend
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert
Absolutely. Maybe I am missing something here. Remove the intake, new gaskets, and RTV. Do not remove the intake and not put in new gaskets. That would be way dumb. It is not worth the trouble, for sure. But, I hate the front and back gaskets, on GM, Jeep, etc. RTV is the rule. SF
Date: 05-Nov-1999 22:12:47
From: Courtney Kerr
Subject: Intake Manifold Leaks (was: Re: JPOR: Gilbert)
Okay, I'll jump in this one! In regards to intake manifold gaskets for v-8 engines. My experience, and the experience of a few mechanics that I know, has been: when installing the intake manifold, use the head-to-intake manifold, but not the block-to-intake manifold gaskets. The block-to-intake manifold gaskets are usually composed of a rubber/silicone material, formed to fit the space between the block and manifold. That's all Fine & Dandy (tm), until the block, heads or intake manifold are machined and surfaced. The tolerances will change, and the gaskets have a tendency to squeeze out - and leak. To avoid this, I ensure that all surfaces are _clean_ and apply a bead of RTV silicone to the block, and set the manifold on. Put the bolts in, torque it down. Let it sit for 24 solid hours, to ensure that the silicone has cured. Just my $0.02, and it's Jeep related because that's how the Holley manifold on my Dart Sportsman head in sealed, on the small block Chevy in my CJ-7! -Courtney '83 Bowtie CJ-7'98 Sport TJ
Date: 05-Nov-1999 22:59:06
From: Steve Friend
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Leaks (was: Re: JPOR: Gilbert)
Yep, this is exactly the case. and the 24 hours is very important. SF
Date: 05-Nov-1999 23:22:14
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Leaks (was: Re: JPOR: Gilbert)
OKHere's a little trick I use. It works great and it doesn't take the cure time.On the front and rear neoprene gaskets, put a thin film of trim adhesive, and a thin film on the block. Put the sealer that comes with the gasket kit, in the corners where it call for. By then the trim adhesive is dry. Set the neoprene gaskets in place. They will lock down to the block. No chance of them slipping out. Check the corners again for any need for additional sealer, then replace the intake. The trim adhesive can be used on both sides of the gasket, but I don't want to be the one removing the intake.The trim adhesive works great, totally oil/gas/water resistant, and keeps the gaskets in place. I've used this method for years and it works well.BuddyLook the intake over well on the Jeep though. I'm still not convinced it's what's leaking. It's possible, but it looked good and it was dry when he left. Then again, they can go when you least expect it.
Date: 07-Nov-1999 12:08:04
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: JPOR: The flying Dutchman
Hey guys Any word on the whereabouts of Gil or how he's doing?Buddy
Date: 08-Nov-1999 00:55:09
From: Steve Smith
Subject: JPOR: Gilbert's Travels
Okay - Here's the latest from Gilbert.. Friday afternoon at about 3:45, Gilbert calls me and says that he is on the side of the road about 10 miles east of Denver. the Jeep is acting up badly, and he is afraid to drive it further without someone else along in the event that he has problems. He still wants to get to 21 Road, but doesn't know how he is going to do it.. 21 Road is west of where it is and I am between where he is and 21 Road (He is about 20 miles from my house) We decide on a meeting place a little past where I would intersect him and if he isn't there in an hour, I would start backtracking to find him. Well, he made it that far.. Terry Howe and I met him on the side of the road.. Terry and I take a look at his Jeep. It looks to us that the oil is flowing through the plate installed where the mechanical fuel pumpwas located. We try to tighten it up some, and see if that helps any - it doesn't. We top him off again, and see if he can start up the passes - over 11,000 feet at the highest. The Jeep is backfiring and isn't really getting that much power.. He starts off and gets about 20 miles then pulls over. Jeep is dying on him again and finally it won't start. I hook a tow strap to him and start hauling him to the next gas station.. After about 10-15 miles, we give it another try and it starts up. He gets over the 1st pass and to a gas station and fills up.. Off again.. Oil is coming out at an even faster rate.. (He has gone through about 6 GALLONS of oil by this time - mostly on the road and the cars behind him..) After a couple more stops, with the Jeep drooling oil and backfiring, we make it to Grand Junction and the camp site.. Have a beerand go to bed.. Gilbert decided to park his Jeep and ride along on the trail. It dies 2 or 3 times from the camp site to the trail head (about 3 miles) and he didn't want to fight it the whole way.. Lots of video and pictures.. Anyway, Gilbert has a good time riding with Terry in the Flatty and we get back - but not after fixing a Bronco's steering with baling wire ... :-) Sunday morning, we take a closer look at his Jeep. The fuel pump plate is definitely the culprit for the oil leaking. One of the bolts holding it on is stripped and the other isn't straight.. We remove everything, clean it up, get a longer bolt and find a couple of threads at the bottom of the stripped hole, re apply RTV and clamp everything down. Oh yea, we had reset the timing on the road - it was a little retarded - about 5 degrees.. We set it to 10 BDTC.. Then, checking around, we tighten down the carb - it was loose, and find a split vacuum hose going to the PVC valve.. Fix that, double check that the plug wires are in the correct order (they were Mo..). The carb needs a rebuild - accelerator pump was slow to return and leaking gas, but nothing that had to be done at that moment..We fire it up. Runs great!! Not a drop of oil.. No more backfiring. No more stalling.. Gilbert was very happy. Terry and I were also happy for 2 reasons - 1 we didn't have to remove the intake manifold and install a new gasket and 2. His on board air worked and I could air up the tires that were leaking on my Jeep - 1 cut sidewall on my BFG/MT and 1 dirty bead (I think).. His on board air worked great.. So, last we say of him, he was heading east to Salt Lake City to meet Bart Jacobs and friends with a much larger smile on his face.. If anyone sees him, let us know that he made it.. Steve
Date: 08-Nov-1999 09:20:37
From: Mike Garner
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert's Travels
<clap clap clap clap clap clap> Terry and Steve are a couple of bang up guys for sure. mikE(glad I'm not near any broncos that they fixed though)
Date: 08-Nov-1999 09:35:16
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert's Travels
Nice job guys.Like I said earlier, he's got a hell of a pit crew/support network on this trip.Sure wish I could have run the Jeep for a while though, before he left with it. A local shake down could have avoided a lot of problems. Sounds like you got him on the right track now though. Like Steve said, anyone hears an update, keep us posted if you would. Buddy
Date: 08-Nov-1999 09:59:17
From: Jay Eller
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert's Travels
GREAT WORK getting him going again!! I was REALLY starting to feel bad for the guy. I have to ask the question that everyone else must be asking (and I hope I don't get flamed); was this Jeep driven much before Gilbert took ownership? Seems like all of these things would have shown their ugly heads WAY earlier than this! I mean, I get my panties in a bunch when mine KIND of misses on one cylinder at idle. Seems like a loose/leaky carb, cracked vacuum line, stripped block off plate, leaking oil, timing WAY off types of symptoms would have shown up a while ago. I am not saying that Buddy (I believe he was the one that sold him the Jeep, correct?) knowingly sold him a bad Jeep, I know that he wouldn't have done that nor anyone else on this list for that matter. I am just trying to figure out why none of this stuffshowed up when Buddy had the Jeep. The only thing I can figure is that it didn't get driven much, if at all before the sale. Anybody got any ideas??? ---Jay-Bird (Not wanting to sound like a jerk, just curious)----------------------------------------------------------83 CJ7Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
Date: 08-Nov-1999 10:20:50
From: Mo Cox
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert's Travels
You're absolutely correct. I'm sure Buddy will chime in here, but it really hadn't been driven at all before Gilbert left Buddy's with it. I full on believe that if Buddy knew about these problems, he wouldn't sell one it without letting on. Man, what other bunch of guys would help out some guy who flew half way around the world to buy a used vehicle? Mo---------------Maurice CoxCleveland, Ohio81 CJ8 360/T19/D300/D44/D60 -- under construction92 XJ 4.0/AX15/NP23179 SJ Rusting Hulk
Date: 08-Nov-1999 10:34:42
From: Matt Abbott
Subject: RE: JPOR: Gilbert's Travels
This is the kind of story that warms my heart (getting sappy, now). A guy comes from the Netherlands to buy a Jeep and travel across country with it. He buys it basically sight unseen and has some problems with it. If he were driving any other vehicle, he might have been out quite a bit of money fixing each of these problems, but instead, total strangers have stepped up to help him get it on the road without having to spend major coin in the process. Only in a Jeep. Now that really means something. The people on this list and many other lists I'm on have all stepped up to help me or others at one point or another. What I lack in ability to help, I make up for in willingness to help. I think I speak for the majority of Jeepers when I applaud all of you that have stepped up at one time or another to assist Gilbert or any others. Matt Abbott
Date: 08-Nov-1999 10:39:33
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert's Travels
Good question JayI'll answer you're questions and maybe everyone else’s. The Jeep was just being built when Gilbert bought it as a project Jeep. It was not completed and needed much work to finish. The parts that are in it can from folks I know that assured me that they were good, but you know how that goes. Gilbert wanted me to do a few things on it for him, but originally had not planned to pick it up until spring. The pickup date got changed and their was barely enough time to get what he wanted done to the Jeep, let alone drive it. I sold it to him for $6,000 with him knowing that it was just put together and totally untested. In fact, the ARB, the Detroit, and final assembly of the Jeep, were done while he was here. Like I said, I'd sure like to have been able to drive it a while to work the bugs out of it, before he left. OK so here's what we have.A Wrangler that was down to the frame, Installed D44's front and rear, front D44 getting knuckles turned for correct casterAMC 360 installedT18 and D20 installedSOA and shackle reversal, new shocks, crossmembers etc.New front brakes, calipers, wheel bearings, etc.3/4 elliptical rear suspension.York compressornew dash, etc.MSD ignition, stereo,CV joint rear shaft, etc, etc.Couldn't list it all.Those guys who have done this know what's involved.You get the idea. A complete replacement of everything exept the frame and tub. It had just a few miles put on it after this but ran well. Gilbert then bought the Jeep as a project Jeep for $6,000 knowing it needed finished and that it was untested.Then it was torn down again.Installed ARB in the frontDetroit rear4.09 gearsOn board airTrack arm in the front.New brakes in the rearNew windshieldNew topHard doorsLots more.It was then driven down the road about a mile and then back. That was the total mileage I got to put on the Jeep before Gil left. He did put about 5 miles on it before leaving tough, and all seemed well.I did this work for nothing but $100 labor and the cost of a few parts. Gil supplied the rest. I for one would not have attempted what he's doing though, without more test driving.So, I didn't send Gil off in something that I knowingly had problems. It takes time to work the bugs out of even the simplest project, let alone a complete rebuild. Gilbert knew this all before he left. I did not deceive anyone. I also think $6,000 for the rig was cheap. I'll not sell another like it for that. Considering all this and that the Jeep was never wheeled and only a few miles of test driving. I think it's doing pretty damn good. A lot in part to the guys who are doing what normally would have been done during local shakedown runs which it never got. Thanks guys.Given the opportunity to drive it for a while, the problems would have all been worked out of it. Then again, if it was completely finished, I would NEVER have considered selling it for the price I did.Does that answer the questions? Buddy
Date: 08-Nov-1999 13:53:36
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert's Travels
Thanks Mo. You're right. You know I would never even think about selling it knowing it had problems and not letting who got it know.Buddy
Date: 08-Nov-1999 15:06:16
From: Jay Eller
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert's Travels
Yes, certainly did answer my questions. I by NO MEANS want you to think that I was trying to get down on you or anything. After hearing what all you did, I am DAMNED impressed that only those few things have gone bad. I know when I finished the Chevy350 install, simple bolt on lift kit, and tranny rebuild, I wouldn't let ANYONE drive in it with me for 6 months. I was afraid I might KILL someone, that's how unsure of the thing I was. And a year and a half later, I am still working out the bugs. I would like to commend you on the amount of work and effort that you put in to helping out Gilbert. I feel you are an excellent individual and by the comments you have given on the list, know a lot more about Jeeping than I could hope to know. Again, I didn't want to get anyone (especially you Buddy) uptight by my questions. I was simply curious about the past history. And having been given the run down, I am suitably impressed with the overall build up. I again commend everyone for helping Gilbert, and I thank Buddy for answering my questions. Hope I didn't offend?? ---Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
----------------------------------------------------------83 CJ7Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
Date: 08-Nov-1999 15:18:00
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert's Travels
Hey JayThanks. No offense was taken. You asked some good questions and I felt they deserved an answer. I'm sure you aren't the only one wondering. At this point, I am pleased that this is all the trouble he's had. I couldn't put my finger on any expected problems, but like you said, it takes a long time to work all the bugs out. Gil has a lot more faith than a lot of us.BuddyPS My wife is afraid I might kill somebody in any one of mine. Hmm. Maybe she's referring to me? Naaa
Date: 08-Nov-1999 17:37:09
From: Bill Lally
Subject: Re: JPOR: Gilbert's Travels
<< The fuel pump plate is definitely the culprit for the oil leaking. >> I suspected that when he was here, but time wasn't on our side. Bill
Date: 09-Nov-1999 08:48:51
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman
Anybody heard from GilHow about you Paul? You were the next contact on his list. Buddy
Date: 09-Nov-1999 11:12:41
From: Terry Howe
Subject: Re: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman
I heard a rumor he was having some fuel problems. He'd wrapped the fuel lines and fuel pump in foil tape when he left Grand Junction. Steve and I cleaned out his fuel filter, it didn't need it. I'm wondering if the fuel tank might not be venting properly. All the wiring looked tight ignition and fuel pump. He was having "vapor lock" problems in CO, but I wasn't sure it really was vapor lock. The spark plugs could probably use cleaning and regapping, Steve pulled one an it looked like it could use some work. Unfortunately, we didn't have time to pull them all. Also, the timing probably needs to be advanced. I think we had it about 10 degrees, not sure what the spec is, I assume it is more than 10. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Terry L. Howe http://www.jeeptech.com/~txh3202
Colorado Springs, CO'75 CJ-6, '45 CJ-2A BH4WDC, CA4WDC, UFWDA~~~~~~~~~ Jeep Tech Pages http://www.jeeptech.com/ ~~~~~~~~~
Date: 09-Nov-1999 13:12:17
From: Brett Davis
Subject: Re: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman
From Bart Jacobs: His Jeep is at Scott Phillips house. He left yesterday morning for Oregon to pick up his buddies. I don't know for sure when he'll return but hopefully in time to fix the Jeep. Steve Friend suggested a fix for his fuel pump and even offered to pay for it. Terry Howe and Steve Smith got the oil leak problem fixed for now, but it could be temporary. One bolt was in sideways and the other bolt was stripped. Anyway, I may be able to come up and work on his Jeep later this week but I'm scrampling trying to get everything done to mine right now. I'llet you know if I hear anything else. Bart
Date: 09-Nov-1999 23:01:42
From: Paul Weitlauf
Subject: JPOR: ATTENTION GILBERT
The Directions are still the same - just when you get off the freeway, turn right (west) if you're coming down from lars' place instead of from the south as originally planned. Paul W
Date: 10-Nov-1999 23:13:53
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Jeep people are so nice(was: Flying Dutchman in
Washington...)
Hey MichaelI'm about 120 miles north of Pitt. Yer always welcome here. Buddy
Date: 10-Nov-1999 10:52:52
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Re: SLC: Travel plan Flying Dutchman...
The line is easily accessible without dropping the tankBuddy
Date: 09-Nov-1999 21:38:45
From: Gilbert Verkuijlen
Subject: JPOR: Attention Paul Weitlauf...
To Paul, I'm sorry, but I don't have your e-mail address here with me. I'll leave Vancouver tonight. Can you e-mail me privately and tell me when you expect me tonight (which time)?? Should I drive differently now I'm coming from north in stead of south?? Please reply ASAP. I'll only have access to e-mail for another half hour. Gilbert Verkuijlen.
Date: 09-Nov-1999 15:39:50
From: Paul Weitlauf
Subject: Re: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman
He's supposed to be here sometime tonite. If he's on schedule, he would have left the Boise Wal-Mart sometime this AM and that's ~10 hours away from here. Figured he would have hooked up with someone from the list in the SLC area for Sunday nite - but haven't heard a peep from or about him since the 21 Road report. Paul
Date: 10-Nov-1999 13:36:48
From: Courtney Kerr
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman in Canada...
Gilbert Verkuijlen (hel-Bert Ver-helkin) wrote: >After that Moab, Las Vegas and Warn Rock Crawl Championship. I hope the Jeeps will both make it>to Los Angeles. Oh s#!/. I better get the spill absorbent and tools ready for when Gilbert arrives in Las Vegas. If he gets lost, I guess I can I track him down by following the oil slick, or checking out the Walmart parking lots... -Courtney (tools are ready)
Date: 09-Nov-1999 19:24:10
From: Brett Davis
Subject: Re: JPOR: Re: SLC: Travel plan Flying Dutchman...
Bart JACOBS wrote: > Scott, are we going to work on his rig before he gets back or is he going to try and run it the way it is? If he plans on replacing the fuel pump on Sunday afternoon, we'll never make it up AF canyon before dark. Bart what's the deal with the fuel pump, ie, I'm assuming its not mechanical, so is it in the tank or what?-- Brett Davis CJ-8? http://www.4x4now.com/trutbr.htm
U4WDA http://www.off-road.com/~utah4wda/
Date: 10-Nov-1999 13:41:43
From: Steve Smith
Subject: Re: JPOR: Re: SLC: Travel plan Flying Dutchman...
I don't remember seeing a canister... You will probably have to run it back to the tank. Steve Steve Friend wrote: > This is too bad. That return has to be hooked up. It does not have to be hooked up I guess, if he wants vapor lock. Run a 1/4 line back to one of the lines that goes to the canister. Disconnect it from the canister of course. This will provide a return until he can drop the tank and do it right. Or drop the tank a bit and run it where is suppose to be. SF
Date: 10-Nov-1999 22:26:23
From: Michael Ciaio
Subject: JPOR: Jeep people are so nice(was: Flying Dutchman in Washington...)
I will be in Pittsburgh, PA for the week of Christmas. I was wondering if anyone off this list lives out that way. Also, I would love to go wheelin' when I'm there. Anyone? Buddy how far are you from Pitt? -Michael CiaioLong Island Off Road, East Coast 4 Wheel Drive"The more people I meet, The more I love my Jeep"http://rockcrusher.homepage.com/
Date: 09-Nov-1999 19:01:02
From: Brett Davis
Subject: JPOR: Re: SLC: Travel plan Flying Dutchman...
Probably go up AF canyon. Scott Phillips wrote: Hooked up with him long enough to arrange for a rental car and to store his jeep at my office. Met him at around 9 and he took off around 10. He is planning on being back in town Sunday afternoon some time (don't know when but hopefully early). He had no real plans other than he'd like to do some wheeling sun afternoon and he plans on hitting Mepco and seeing Tom Woods on Monday. What does everybody want to do on Sunday afternoon? did you guys hook up with Gilbert? What are the plans for this weekend?--Brett Davis Scott PhillipsAccount CoordinatorThe Phillips Agencyhttp://www.phillipsagency.com
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Date: 09-Nov-1999 19:52:36
From: Buddy Nesbitt
Subject: Re: JPOR: Re: SLC: Travel plan Flying Dutchman...
OK guysThe fuel pump is an electric and it and the others I have like it are noisy when mounted to the body. I suspect there's nothing wrong with the pump itself. There was an aluminum shield over the pump to protect it from the heat.Here's what I would do. Pick up a new fuel filter with the return outlet on it. Run a piece of line from it to the gas tank. The return is on the upper/left/ front of the tank and plugged at the moment. This would keep the fuel circulating and get rid of any chance of vapor lock with the cool fuel running through all the time.Maybe move the fuel pump closer to the fuel tank. That and make sure the aluminum shield didn't slip off or something. One other thing. Check the pressure regulator to make sure it's alright. It's under the hood, on the cowl, drivers side.Couple of ideas anyway. Buddy
Date: 09-Nov-1999 22:56:52
From: Paul Weitlauf
Subject: Re: JPOR: Attention Paul Weitlauf...
Hopefully you'll get this in time. phone is xxx-xxx-xxxx Give me a call when you're ready to head out and I'll take off from work... they are already expecting me to leave early. Got the message you left this morning. I guess you called while I was still sleeping and the wife had stepped out to run to the store or something. She didn't expect any messages in the few minutes she was gone, so she missed you message until later today. Paul W
Date: 09-Nov-1999 19:05:54
From: Bart Jacobs
Subject: JPOR: Re: SLC: Travel plan Flying Dutchman...
Scott, are we going to work on his rig before he gets back or is he going to try and run it the way it is? If he plans on replacing the fuel pump on Sunday afternoon, we'll never make it up AF canyon before dark. Bart
Date: 09-Nov-1999 18:27:02
From: Scott Phillips
Subject: Re: JPOR: Re: SLC: Travel plan Flying Dutchman...
The fuel pump is mounted on the frame rail above the skidplate. The exhaust happens to be routed right under the pump. Seems to me that since the pump relies on the fuel for lubrication that it's probably starting to go bad. Gil says that it makes a lot of noise. The Jeep runs fine at speed (highway) but when he stops for around town driving that’s when it acts up and gives him a hard time. Scott Phillips
Date: 10-Nov-1999 03:45:47
From: Terry Howe
Subject: Re: JPOR: Re: SLC: Travel plan Flying Dutchman...
The shield is missing, but Gilbert wrapped it in foil tape. It has a fuel filter with a return (that is blocked off). This would be a great idea. The pressure regulator is maxed out as it should be. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Terry L. Howe http://www.jeeptech.com/~txh3202
Colorado Springs, CO '75 CJ-6, '45 CJ-2A BH4WDC, CA4WDC, UFWDA~~~~~~~~~ Jeep Tech Pages http://www.jeeptech.com/ ~~~~~~~~~
Date: 09-Nov-1999 22:48:02
From: Steve Friend
Subject: Re: JPOR: Re: SLC: Travel plan Flying Dutchman...
Yep, Yep, all the things said. Sf
Date: 11-Nov-1999 11:36:18
From: Scott Phillips
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman in Washington...
Sorry to hear that Bart (unless Janeal is reading this and then it's – Oh that's OK Bart, you know that you need to spend some time with Janeal's family. Espec after all of the time you've been spending with the XJ). Scott
Date: 10-Nov-1999 21:49:45
From: Paul Weitlauf
Subject: JPOR: Flying Dutchman in Washington...
He says the oil leak is cured - so after checking out the Wal-Marts you'll just have to look for a stalled black YJ holding up traffic - unless the SLC pit crew gets him fixed up. <G> He arrived at my place last night ~11:45PM and we chatted until ~2:00. He slept in the car, even though I insisted he sleep indoors. Freaked my wife out when she got up and found him in the car! We got up ~7:30 and BS'd some more over coffee and OJ. He took some pics of the Wrinkled Indian and I gave himthe $0.25 tour of my new place, showing him where the garage will be going up soon and the 10x14 shed crammed full of Jeep parts and tools anxiously awaiting the new shop. We left my place ~10:15 and headed into Seattle to visit ARB so he could pick up some goodies and meet some of the folks he's conversed with over the phone and by e-mail... then over to the Old Spaghetti Factory for lunch. After lunch, he headed south on the freeway towards Portland and I headed north to work. I guess his plan for tonight is to go to Hillsboro, OR and check out the J-10 Honcho his Belgian friend is buying and see what parts it's going to need and buy them so when he picks them up at the airport they'll be ready toprep the FSJ for the drive back to SLC & Moab. Paul W
Date: 09-Nov-1999 19:58:16
From: Gilbert Verkuijlen
Subject: JPOR: Flying Dutchman in Canada...
Yes, I made it to Canada. Let me give a quick update. I left Cleveland a week ago. Had problems and returned in Cleveland. Mo and Don looked at the Jeep, set the timing and replaced the V-belt with a good one. Left Cleveland on Wednesday. Drove to Indianapolis. Arrived in St. Louis on Thursday, had vapor lock problems and met Eric Smith. Decided not to meet David Givens, but would like to thank him for his mental support over the phone. Drove to Denver on Friday, once again major problems with vapor lock. Also problems with backfiring and then we have the oil leak (used about 5 gallons of oil in two days!!!). Met Steve Smith and Terry Howe in Denver. Drove together to 21 Road (Grand Junction). Actually, Steve towed me most of the time, so I saved fuel. I told him that I had problems with vapor lock. I'm so cheap :-) No, really I had problems. Joined Terry, Shaun, and Steve on 21 Road. Had to leave my Jeep at the trailhead. Too many problems. Terry and Steve fixed the oil leak (original fuel pump plate). Drove to Salt Lake City on Sunday. Met Scott Phillips and I rented a car in Salt Lake City. I'm in Vancouver Canada (at Lars) right now. The rental car drives much better. I'll pick up the Belgian guys in Portland, and we will drive with my rental car and the Jeep Honcho to Salt Lake City to pick up my Jeep. After that Moab, Las Vegas and Warn Rock Crawl Championship. I hope the Jeeps will both make it to Los Angeles. Later, Gilbert Verkuijlen.
Date: 09-Nov-1999 13:31:21
From: Steve Smith
Subject: JPOR: gilbert
>Scott Phillips wrote: Hey all,Gil just left my office. He's had a bit of a setback with the Jeep. It seems that he's having a vapor lock problem and he may/may not have a bad fuel pump. He managed to limp into Salt Lake last night around 9pm. He met me this morning around 9am and we were able to get him arranged with a rental car. He's leaving the Jeep in my garage for the week while he heads up to Portland to pick up his three Belgium buddies. Then he's back to SLC to pick up the Jeep and head out to California. He wants to send a big thanks to Terry Howe and ...Oh man! I wrote down his name and now I can't find it. Terry and the unknown guy (man I am sorry that I can't give ya credit) helped Gil work on the Jeep and get it roadworthy in Colorado. Gil also wants to thank Bart Jacobs for helping him out by having Matt at Rocky Mountain tell Hertz that he was working on the Jeep. Gil was able to save about $200 on his rental car because they gave him their "Service" discount. I guess that he drove his Jeep to the trail head of 21 road and ended up riding with some of the guys there because of his vapor lock problems. Seems that the fuel pump was mounted on the frame rail above the skidplate but the exhaust was routed right under the fuel pump. So at highway speed he is ok but when he slows down (like around town driving or on the trail) he gets a vapor lock problem. He also thinks that the pump is going out because it has started to make a lot of noise. Since the pump relies on the fuel for it's lubrication he's probably not far off with the idea that the vapor lock has caused the pump to go south. Just an update for ya'll Scott
Date: 10-Nov-1999 22:14:57
From: Rich
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman in Washington...
Thanks for the update Paul, sounds like Gil's having a pretty good time even if his Jeeps in Utah. Man I love the kindness of Jeepers. You got that case, and the fact that Robert Britt, a guy I've never met is letting me stay at his place in NC and driving me to the recording studios to try to get a job/internship, and taking me wheeling with the NC gang. We are a one of a kind breed! I love it!Rich79 CJ5
Date: 09-Nov-1999 20:57:34
From: Paul Weitlauf
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman in Canada...
So are you coming by my place tonight or tomorrow? Paul W
Date: 09-Nov-1999 14:38:11
From: Matt Abbott
Subject: RE: JPOR: gilbert
Just a thought, but this Jeep was built and tuned at a much lower elevation that it currently is at. Could that have some play in it? Matt Abbott
Date: 10-Nov-1999 09:58:54
From: Steve Friend
Subject: Re: JPOR: Re: SLC: Travel plan Flying Dutchman...
This is too bad. That return has to be hooked up. It does not have to be hooked up I guess, if he wants vapor lock. Run a 1/4 line back to one of the lines that goes to the canister. Disconnect it from the canister of course. This will provide a return until he can drop the tank and do it right. Or drop the tank a bit and run it where is suppose to be. SF
Date: 09-Nov-1999 16:02:45
From: Paul Weitlauf
Subject: Re: JPOR: gilbert
OK, now I'm a little confused... he wasn't gonna be picking up his Belgian friends until Thursday or Friday. Did he mention if his agenda was changed because of the rental car thing? Should I still be expecting him to roll in sometime tonight? If anyone knows, it would be helpful - so I can decided if I'm riding the vanpool to work tonite or driving so I can leave early when he shows up. ThanksPaul(hoping someone can throw me a bone here ;)
Date: 09-Nov-1999 18:26:22
From: Brett Davis
Subject: JPOR: [Fwd: Re: SLC: Travel plan Flying Dutchman...]
From: Scott PhillipsSubject: Re: SLC: Travel plan Flying Dutchman... He is on the road already. He left here about 10 am yesterday (Monday) am. He should be getting back (barring any problems with the Honcho they bought) sometime Sunday afternoon. Scott >Where is he now? Do we need to do anything? He has been having problems ever since he picked up the jeep, oil was leaking out the fuel-pump block-off plate, vacuum leaks, bad timing, etc. The Jeepoffroad list has been following it, I assumed you two were on it, I can forward the details if you want. anyway, is he in town or did he continue on? Bart JACOBS wrote: He got here but his Jeep isn't running well. It needs at least a fuel pump and maybe some other stuff. He rented a car and is headed for Oregon to pick up his friends. I guess he'll fix it when he gets back. I think we're planning on a run this coming weekend. I need to go and try out the new toys I have. Bart
Date: 11-Nov-1999 12:09:02
From: Bart Jacobs
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman in Washington...
Glad to hear he's making progress and I hope they have better luck with the Honcho than the YJ. The SLC pit crew isn't making any progress. I've been working on my Jeep until after midnight for the last couple nights and it looks like that will continue through the weekend. Scott P hasn't had time either. I don't think it will take much to make the adjustments to the fuel pump and lines but I'm not going to be able to come up and help. I was planning on helping them on Sunday and doing a ride in the afternoon but my wife reminded me we were going to the in-laws in Wyoming and won't be home till late Sunday night. Sorry, Bart
Date: 09-Nov-1999 21:34:10
From: Gilbert Verkuijlen
Subject: JPOR: Update Flying Dutchman travel plan...
cc-ing the lists as an update. I'm in Vancouver Canada right now. I love this rental car considering the miles you can drive with it. About Sunday: it all depends on the Jeep Honcho, which we are going to pick up. We will leave Hillsboro (Portland), OR this Saturday as early as possible, but I might consider to leave Hillsboro on Friday night. The nice thing is that we have 4 drivers and 2 cars, so we can switch. In case we don't have many problems (Honcho is also not tested), we can probably be in SLC on Sunday before noon. I can update you on Saturday after one day driving. I'll call you in the evening and tell you were we are. Re: the Jeep.I don't feel comfortable off-roading with the Jeep as it is at the moment. Have way too many problems with the vapor lock. I'm not 100% sure if the electrical fuel pump is broken. I'd like to relocate it further from the exhaust (near the fuel tank) and see what happens before I replace the whole fuel pump. Seems like the oil leak is completely fixed. The are a few other thing I would like to check, but I think the vapor lock is the main "problem" right now. You're always welcome to check the Jeep before Sunday :-) I knewthere was a reason why I should leave the keys at your place... Gilbert Verkuijlen.
Date: 09-Nov-1999 21:34:29
From: Bud Boren
Subject: JPOR: Re: [JEEP-L] Update Flying Dutchman travel plan...
heh heh! Don't worry Gil, you weren't gonna get far at the hammers anyway. Like the first 5 ft should make up your mind for ya. Hahaha! Bud
Date: 10-Nov-1999 11:44:07
From: Scott Phillips
Subject: JPOR: Re: Update Flying Dutchman travel plan...
Well,There you have it.Again - I've got the Jeep in the Garage at the office but Gil left the keys with me so I can move it to wherever. I just got off the phone with Russ and he needs to install the hard top on his D90 on Saturday also (It is being stored in my basement as his apartment doesn't have much storage space). We've got to do some "fabrication" to help prevent some cracking in the plastic that has started. I've also got a "honey do" list a mile long for around the house. If I want to be able to wheel on Sunday then I need to get a lot done around the house. We can all descend on my house to do the work (I have basic tools but nothing exotic) or I can take Gil's jeep to another location but I will not be able to stay long - or will have to show up after taking care of things around the house. Ideas and suggestions are welcome. Scott Phillips
Date: 09-Nov-1999 16:00:48
From: Brett Davis
Subject: JPOR: Flying Dutchman
Hit reply-all for those that are not on jeepoffroad, thanks-- Brett Davis CJ-8? http://www.4x4now.com/trutbr.htm
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Date: 15-Nov-1999 12:57:40
From: Brett Davis
Subject: Re: JPOR: Flying Dutchman and 3 Guys from Belgium
The Flying Dutchman and his 3 friends from Belgium made it to SLC early yesterday afternoon. We hooked up for a little wheeling up a local canyon. Gilbert and friends rode in Scott's CJ7 and his brother Russ's D90. I had just put the last Swamper on the topless scrambler when friend Todd Adams pulled up with a hardtop on so my boys and I just jumped in with him. We only made it to the rock garden before we ran out of time, they had to get back down to look at a car or something. We met later for dinner at Chili's and swapped stories and looked at pics. Today they are going to Mepco and then heading for Moab. Not sure how the jeep is running, I don't know if they got the fuel pump moved or not. The Honcho seems to run alright, but has some drivetrain vibrations (?) Fun bunch of guys. -- Brett Davis CJ-8? http://www.4x4now.com/trutbr.htm
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Date: 16-Nov-1999 13:13:41
From: Scott Phillips
Subject: JPOR: Flying Dutchman Leaves SLC for Moab
Just thought that I'd give an update on Gilbert and his three Belgian buddies. I knew that they were trying to get into SLC around noon on Sunday, so on Saturday I replaced the starter in the Jeep and ran a new airline for the ARB (this one is braided stainless steel so I shouldn't have to worry at all about any leaks). Bart Jacobs had family obligations so he wasn't able to do anything on Saturday or Sunday. Brett Davis spent the day working on his Suburban's 350. Sad story for him - he helped his cousin put the engine in the burb 18 months ago and then it just sat. Finally he bought the 'burb off his cousin and has had it for only a few months (6 or so) and the engine goes out. Problem is that the warranty is only for 1 year (of which the engine sat idle in the 'burb - it wasn't until Brett bought it that it was really running). He's got some funny slag stuff in the #5 piston but the antifreeze is still clean so it doesn't look like a cracked head. The head gasket is in good shape (which is not what he wanted to see - he was hoping to an easy replacement job). So now he's gotta try and figure out what the problem is. So we didn't have a chance to get to Gil's jeep on Saturday. Sunday morning came and Brett called me to see if they had gotten into town early. Since they hadn't Brett told me he was concerned about his Scrambler. Seems his steering brace hadn't come in the mail yesterday as he had expected and every time he takes the Jeep out he brakes the steering box mounts. Just so happens that I have a brace laying around that just may work. So off to Bretts house I go and we play with the brace a bit. Turns out that it just might do the trick. So we drill some new holes and mount the brace up. While we are doing this Gil calls on my cell phone but I ran out the door so fast that I forgot to take it with me. My wife didn't get to it quick enough so Gil ends up leaving a message saying that they were just out side of SLC and that they would call me when they got into town. Two hours later (I was getting a bit worried that they hadn't called) they call and tell my wife that they are at my office where we had left Gilbert's Jeep. I had to move the Jeep to my house because we had rentedout the garage where his Jeep had been sitting. So I met them at the office and had them follow me out to my house. We did some quick wrenching on my brothers D90 (finished putting the POS hard top back on and did a bit of reinforcing) and were ready to go out wheeling. The only thing is that Luc - one of the Belgium guys had just happened to see a Triumph TR6 that he liked and it was for sale. The guy who was selling it was going to work at 7 that night so we had to hurry to go wheeling and get back. I calledBrett Davis and he was busy swapping his 31" tires (so he can pass inspection) for the 38's he normally runs and it was going to take a bit of time for him to join us. So we decided that Brett would call Todd (a friend of his) and they would just meet us up American Fork Canyon, near the rock garden. It was such a warm day that I decided to take the doors off the Jeep (don't know why I put the hard top and doors on the CJ - the weather has been sooooooo warm lately). We drive down to American Fork canyon to do some wheeling and as we start up the canyon it gets really cold! Gilbert and Luc are in my CJ with the doors off and the other two Belgium guys are riding in the D90 with my bro. We get to the flats just before a small rock garden and stop to air down. Luc promptly jumps ship to ride in the D90 (which had just had the hard top put on so it was nice and warm). Gilbert toughed it out with me but I can tell you it was getting mighty cold with the sun going down and the wind picking up. Gil gave Luc a lotof crap about not being a "true Jeeper" because he didn't want to be cold but I'll tell you I was sure wishing I'd left the doors on and don't let Gil tell ya any different - he was mighty cold too and was wanting some heat as well (I knew he was wishing for some heat when he kept putting his hands on the defrost vents - guess I need to do that Chevy blower motor upgrade). We get to the rock garden and play on it for a while. It's not much but will let you flex your rig in a few spots. Since it's the end of the year it's not much of a challenge. On our way up to the rock garden we passed a guy who was out for a walk with his family. We stopped to say "hi" and he asked what I was running for traction. I told him I was open up front but I had an ARB in the rear. He said "good, you're gonna need it cuz it's really chewed up ahead." I say "OK." He says that he's gonna walk up and watch us go through it. So I start up and walk my way through the rocks with out even popping the ARB in. Gil and I get out to watch the D90 and the guy goes "Great Job! - I wish I would have brought my CJ up here." The D90 goes through just fine and we keep going up the trail. A bit further on we start hitting some snow and as we get higher it turns to ice. I almost made it across an icy stretch of the trail but just didn't have the momentum. As I stop and start to back up boy does it turn slick. The back end starts to slide off the side of the trail (with about a 10 foot drop off and a steep slope from there) I managed to seat of the pants steer out of it but that was enough for us. We decided that we didn't want to mess with coming down that in the dark - besides time was running short (I know, convenient excuse but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't scared when the back end slid sideways). We turn around and head back down and meet up with Brett Davis and Todd at the rock garden. They were kinda bummed that we were heading down so soon but understood the time limitations. Gil and the Belgium guys took some pictures as we came down the rock garden. I was playing around and slid off a rock - coming down on the tranny skid pretty hard. I was able to back off it but man that was a hit that about knocked the fillings out of my teeth. We ended up being late for the car but we talked to the guy on the phone and they set up a time to meet at 10 the next morning. Monday Gil and the guys went to Mepco and picked up a bunch of parts (gil also picked up a nail and got to use his plug repair kit and york for a cool "trail" fix). They got the car all nailed down and set for shipment to California and came by the office to say goodbye. They pulled out of here about 4 pm (a long shot from the 10 am time they were planning on leaving). I gave them the numbers to slickrock jeep (moab off road) and they are planning on renting two of the CJ's there and running Moab Rim and Lion's Back. They're probably out yahooing it up while you're reading this post. That's about the end of the Update. They are planning on heading to Vegas next and to the WRCC from there. Scott Scott Phillips1984 CJ-7Personal Page http://www.circle17.com/~scott
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:10:09 -0500
From: "Perkins, Don"
Subject: Gilbert's travels....
Anyone heard what's going on with him or
that bitchin Jeep?
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:05:22 -0800
From: Bud Boren
Subject: Re: [JEEP-L] Gilbert's travels....
I know he's supposed to be at the hammers with us on thur. Won't be able
to tell you one way or the other till monday though. Thats what he said
anyway. Scott Phillips was in touch with him a few days ago in Utah and
he and three compadre's were headed to Moab and then the hammers. Thats
all I know for sure right now.
Bud
Date: 17-Nov-1999 23:16:17
From: Courtney Kerr
Subject: JPOR: The Gambling Dutchman Tour '99
Here's the latest update on Gilbert & Company: They're here! I started getting phone calls from various parts stores: I sent out a request to have me notified when motor oil was being purchased in bulk. Oops, sorry, that was last years trip... I couldn't meet up with them tonight because of a previous engagement, but we are going to try to have lunch Thursday. I think he's going to try to have some exhaust work performed on the YJ, and he's (still) looking for Swampers. He should be leaving for the Los Angeles area sometime tomorrow afternoon. Who's going to the WRCC? -Courtney
Date: 18-Nov-1999 00:35:00
From: Steve Smith
Subject: Re: JPOR: The Gambling Dutchman Tour '99
I'll be there on the Bart Jacob's support team - not that he'll need any help.. Arriving Thursday night.. Steve
Date: 18-Nov-1999 00:47:19
From: Steve Friend
Subject: Re: JPOR: The Gambling Dutchman Tour '99
Well, we might just meet. I am a compeeeet'n there Steve. Look me up. SF
Date: 18-Nov-1999 12:16:27
From: Scott Phillips
Subject: Re: JPOR: The Gambling Dutchman Tour '99
Courtney,Can you have Gil's friend Luc call me asap. We've run into a snag getting the title to the Triumph TR6 that he purchased. There is a good chance that the sale will fall through and I need to know what Luc wants me to do with the cash he left with me to pay for the car. Does he want it put into a travelers check(s) and FedEx'd out to his next location or wired to him or what??? Thanks,Scott PhillipsWork (801) 569-0070Home (801) 446-8721Cell (801) 232-4555
Date: 23-Nov-1999 19:37:40
From: Brett Davis
Subject: Re: JPOR: enough No Turkey
Enough, take it off the list. Otherwise I'm gonna start my MormonProselytizing or maybe even subscribe some J.W.s. Speaking only as a subscriber, and not thinking I'm the moderator oranything: GAG groups directly threaten the sport of jeeping, maybe animal rightsgroups tend to be left-leaning and/or overlap with GAGs, but as we see,there are many vegetarians and otherwise who enjoy this sport and are onthis list. So, GAG stuff is generally germane to the list, but I thinkthat is about it. Flying Dutchmen are definitely pertinent. Happy THANKSgiving all! -- Brett Davis
Date: 24-Nov-1999 07:49:15
From: Gilbert Verkuijlen
Subject: JPOR: The Flying Dutchman is back...
I'm back. TTYL, Gilbert Verkuijlen.
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